In Episode 6 of Lead Time Chats, Jean Hsu, VP of Engineering at Range, talks with Lara Hogan, author of Resilient Management, about how engineering managers can lead effectively a year into a global pandemic, even when they may be struggling.
Jean and Lara chat about:
You can access Lara's Defrag Your Calendar worksheet here.
Put your oxygen mask on first so that you can support your team
“I definitely had people that I worked with I just cared so deeply for, and I just ended up worrying about them off hours. And for so many managers, how do you turn that off? It's a good instinct, but again, I like to reframe it as, okay, you need to be a teammate for all of these people, not just this one person. This comes up in like normal performance review conversations too. Like how much time are we spending working with somebody who needs a lot of our attention versus everybody we need to be supporting right now. I can make sure my oxygen mask is on so that I can also be available and useful to everybody else who needs to lean on me too.”
The impact of the pandemic on different people has been a surprise
“Some people thought this would be really catastrophic and upend their lives, and they've been flourishing during this time. And other people were like, I'm prepared, I'm great during crises, but this is a marathon, right? So it's been really interesting, both for the managers themselves and for their teams. Everything is a surprise for everybody. It's been a lot of, okay, given that what we prepared for, what we expected or how I thought it would be is not truly what's happened. What do I do now? How do I pivot? How do I get over the surprise?”
5pm Zoom Happy Hour? No thank you.
“Especially at the beginning of the pandemic, managers were like let's make like a happy hour. Let's all hang out. Like we're all isolated. Let's be together. I mean, what a well-intentioned terrible... no, everybody's drained. Zoom fatigue is a thing. And a lot of people had so many other commitments. Thank you for the intention, but like not going to work for me.”
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Season 1 Episodes
» Episode 1: Will Larson on the path of the senior engineer
» Episode 3: Cate Huston on working with an external coach
» Episode 4: Juan Pablo Buriticá on common eng manager mistakes
» Episode 5: Gergely Orosz on the decision to go into management
» Episode 6: Lara Hogan on leading effectively in a pandemic
» Episode 7: Kaya Thomas on common early career engineer challenges
» Episode 8: Uma Chingunde on starting a VPE role in a pandemic
» Episode 9: Katie Wilde on supporting your team's mental health
» Episode 10: Akhil Gupta on navigating uncertainty in new roles
» Episode 11: Harper Reed on giving everyone a voice in team meetings
» Episode 12: Marc Hedlund on sponsorship