In Episode 1 of Lead Time Chats, Jean Hsu, VP of Engineering at Range, talks to Will Larson, CTO at Calm, about getting into management early in his career and how it impacted his professional evolution and his books An Elegant Puzzle: Systems of Engineering Management and Staff Engineer: Leadership Beyond the Management Track.
Jean and Will discuss:
The opportunity cost of switching paths increases the deeper you get
“Don't leave the technical role path until you're done doing what you want to do. Charity Majors has her great piece on the manager engineer pendulum, but I think something that piece kind of doesn't address is that as you get deeper onto one of those two, I think the switching costs do go up and the economic rewards of getting deeper on them is extremely high.
And so I think the opportunity cost of switching is actually a lot higher as you get further in your career than than it might appear early on.”
The staff engineering path is often less supported and more ambiguous than management
“Staff engineers actually often end up in the spot where like, oh, my manager will be able to kind of help me as a staff engineer and they will, to some extent, but most managers have never been a staff engineer. And most directors have never been a staff engineer and most VPs of engineering have never been a staff engineer. And there are often far more directors of engineering or the company ratio wise than there are staff engineers. So your peer groups are really small. So people are like, oh, I don't like ambiguity. I like having clarity in my work, somebody on this staff path get blindsided at just like how little structure and support there is when in the actual role itself.”
Let go of the pressure to have side hustles and produce content as an engineering leader
“In the Bay Area or in technology in general, there is such a strong online presence of folks who are doing these side hustles, or whatever you want to call them where they're like turning out content, they're writing a lot, they're doing a YouTube channel. They're on Clubhouse, talking about their deep Clubhouse thoughts...tiktok, whatever. And I think that creates this competitive pressure to be there. I just think it's so important to ground this on...the most successful people you know don't do any of this, and you don't need to do any of this. Like if you don't want to do it, just please don't.”
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Season 1 Episodes
» Episode 1: Will Larson on the path of the senior engineer
» Episode 3: Cate Huston on working with an external coach
» Episode 4: Juan Pablo Buriticá on common eng manager mistakes
» Episode 5: Gergely Orosz on the decision to go into management
» Episode 6: Lara Hogan on leading effectively in a pandemic
» Episode 7: Kaya Thomas on common early career engineer challenges
» Episode 8: Uma Chingunde on starting a VPE role in a pandemic
» Episode 9: Katie Wilde on supporting your team's mental health
» Episode 10: Akhil Gupta on navigating uncertainty in new roles
» Episode 11: Harper Reed on giving everyone a voice in team meetings
» Episode 12: Marc Hedlund on sponsorship