In this episode of Lead Time Chats, Jean Hsu, VP of Engineering at Range, chats with Range co-founders Jen Dennard and Dan Pupius about how companies can roll-out intentional and effective hybrid work policies.
Jean, Jen, and Dan discuss:
"Even if I like working in the office face to face, if I'm being forced to commute 45 minutes in traffic and then get to an office, it's a ghost town, like I'm not gonna want to go into the office. So we are hearing people struggling with that. One person I talked to they're meant to work at their desk three days a week in order to qualify for being a San Francisco employee, otherwise they get 15% pay cut, but they go into their office and then zoom with people in the South Bay and New York, and they're not actually collaborating with people face to face anyway. I think there's just like a lot of inconsistency to the policies." — Dan Pupius
“I think it's very similar to the stories you hear in the diversity, equity, and inclusion space, right? Where it's like, cool, everyone has the commitment on their website. We commit to equal hiring and promotion and things like that. And yet we also all know certain companies that are like, Cool, I don't wanna work there as a woman or as a person of color, or different things because of the reputation. And I think that'll start to be true over time with remote work and inclusion of remote workers as well.” — Jen Dennard
“One of the biggest arguments for bringing people back to the office is this serendipitous collaboration. A lot of the data just shows that doesn't actually happen for the majority of people. When you move into the open plan offices, face to face communication actually drops, I think 70% with one study and then the serendipitous interactions in common rooms — the water cooler effect — doesn't really impact other people.
So potentially what we're really talking about is the serendipitous interactions that leaders get, but the majority of workers don't really benefit from those serendipitous interactions.” — Dan Pupius
“If you want people in the office for face to face collaboration, let's make sure you have face to face collaboration. Make sure you're scheduling time, make sure you are actually running effective in-person meetings. Make sure that you're facilitating those serendipitous interactions that you believe are so powerful, versus making people sit quietly in a cube all day, because then people just feel like they're being forced into the office just for surveillance. And it's not really about communication, it's about, you don't trust me to do my work.” — Dan Pupius
“In tech there's still a lot of optionality in terms of what you choose for your work. Obviously the economy is shifting right now, and that is changing to some extent. But I think that's one thing for that the individual does have agency over at times is, okay, do I want to stay here? And it can feel like, well, I want to be loyal to my team and to my manager and to these other things.But I'd encourage folks to also think about, okay, well I've brought up eight times that I'd like to be able to work remote for these valid reasons and I haven't gotten a good understanding and as much as I care about my team, the company is making these policies, et cetera. There are lots of constraints like family and salary and all sorts of things that prevent people from moving jobs, but it is something that I think we will see over time of people leaving. And that isn't necessarily bad, right? If a company wants everyone to be in the office and they're hiring exclusively for that, then they're going to attract the people that want that, and just like other company cultures is a totally valid thing to hire or not hire for.” — Jen Dennard
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