In this episode of Lead Time Chats, Jean Hsu, VP of Engineering at Range, chats with Brooks Scott, Founder of Merging Path, about how to foster diversity, equity, and inclusion on remote and distributed teams.
Brooks and Jean discuss:
"A lot of companies have started and ended their diversity initiatives by just focusing on hiring more women. And I think the reason why that happens is because everyone has a woman in their life, so it makes it an easier conversation. Doesn't matter if you're gay, you're straight, you're transgender person, non-binary. Your mom, your sister, your cousin, your dentist, your barista, your attorney, your veterinarian. Everyone has a woman in their life, but not everyone has a black person in their life or transgender person or a non-binary person in their life. So if we are just focusing on the binary perspective of gender and focusing our efforts on women, a lot of companies stopped there. So you'll actually see a lot of the board mandates that happened these last couple years. The first step was requiring companies to hire more women. Very important part of this discussion and we have to continue the discussion and find other ways of building these things here together. So I think on a surface level, a lot of companies just stop from the binary gender perspective.”
“One of my favorite comments that someone made a question in my class, there's a group of 50 people on a zoom screen, and there was a white guy and he said 'I feel really uncomfortable saying this, but I feel like this is the space to talk about this stuff. I'm an executive recruiter and whenever I'm interviewing a candidate on LinkedIn who is black, I am far less intimidated than I am if I'm interviewing the same level candidate who was white. And I don't know why that is. But I wanna ask you that here, and I feel like this is the time to talk about it." And so that question and that comment right there is exactly what we're here to talk about, and so if no one asks that question or brings a conversation there, then we're just staying at the surface level when we're trying to figure out how to become a more diverse and inclusive organization.”
“If we look for and start to solve and fix for all the other areas about inclusion that are broken, it will make those conversations a lot more safer and a lot more genuine for people. A lot of people from underrepresented groups don't want to have conversations with their manager, 'cause they're like, listen you wanna gimme a 4% raise, that's great. What are you doing with the board, with the C-suite, with the managers, with this person on my team who took my idea last week and turned it into a PowerPoint presentation and presented it back to the team, which actually happened to one of my clients, what are we doing for the people who didn't even notice that happened? And so I get it that managers are getting discouraged, but it's gonna take time and intention to fix a lot of the things that have been broken for decades.”
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