In this episode of Lead Time Chats, Jean Hsu, VP of Engineering at Range, chats with Anna Sulkina, Director of Engineering at Twitter, about the parallels between endurance spots and software engineering.
Anna and Jean discuss:
“If we think about physical activity or building muscle or building stamina in endurance sports, you actually need some amount of stress. For example, the muscles get broken up and then in the next stage, if you let them, they will build up and recover. If you don't build in that recovery time, then you just burn out and risk injury, which I think is very much true at work and at life outside of sport as well, especially during this time now during the pandemic and not having a good divisive line between work and life.”
“As I go on the long run by myself or during a race, for some reason, I immediately start drawing the parallels with what happens at work with software development teams. And some of the aspects are thinking about, why you're doing this, why is it important for you? And it doesn't have to be anything, you know, incredible, but it's something that matters to you. What is the goal that you have? Why is it something that gets you excited. Without having that why, it's hard to stay motivated in the long run.”
“I always try to after a race, even while I am running, try to capture things, but then things get more filtered out after you're done and the endorphins kick in. And then essentially having those conversations with the teams about what's working, what's not working in different contexts. Whether it's a project, whether it's we've spent a quarter as a new team, how are things? And then what can we change? Even with your own self, I find it's really important to also employ compassion and not immediately jump to judging yourself and God forbid anyone else. But really try to understand and more with an eye towards the future, because no matter what, you cannot change the past.”
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